the deadly viper assasination squad ([info]somuchbraver) wrote,
@ 2008-12-08 23:29:00
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The Doctor. In the Tardis.
For those of you who don't know yet; GOOD LORD do I love Dr. Who. In a jumping up and down screaming fist pumping disturbing my neighbors kind of way. I just watched the season four finale and can now come out of my cave with no fear of being horribly spoiled. I've been Netflixing the series and now that I've run out of new series I'm going to go back to the start. I have a feeling I won't like the old series as much as the new one- something tells me it's going to be like watching old Star Trek episodes but less forgivable in all the corny misogynistic glory because you know, it's not part of my culture. Hell, who knows, maybe that'll make it easier to take. Am I wrong headed in assuming that early Dr. Who will be as rampantly sexist as new Dr. Who is liberating?

(For my friends who are not caught up yet, I will edit this post if anyone comments with something spoilery, haha)

But can I just say- Rose. One of the most perfect creatures god ever created. I have got a huge, out of control, super crush on Rose. I want to write something smart about how amazing she is and how badass the women are on this series for our new feminist blog; but I haven't finished convulsing and drooling yet so I'll wait till that passes.

Finals are super crappy but the doctor is pulling me through.

I have a new blog on wordpress.com : http://somuchbraver.wordpress.com/
And [info]petroldarling, [info]klarva72, and me are off on a seperate blog there dithering on about some feminist hoo-ha so if that pleases you, here's the link : http://quelquesfilles.wordpress.com/

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[info]stellar_dust
2008-12-09 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I don't find Old Who particularly sexist? It's still all about the Doctor picking up humans and taking them to see the universe and they become better people in the process. Occasionally sexist, maybe, but it could have been a lot worse. It's been a while since I watched much Star Trek, but I think Old Who come off much better than TOS in that department. Possibly because it's British? Dunno. And it's quite cheesy, but the special effects are actually much better than I had been led to believe!

I came into it as a New Who fan and I like Five best - I think he has the most in common with Ten, as he is young and pretty and full of angst - so maybe start with the Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison) if you decide to give it a try. :D

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[info]somuchbraver
2008-12-09 09:32 pm UTC (link)
The impression I get about sexism isn't from anything I've seen, but fans of the old series that I've talked to. I've heard quite a few old series fans bemoan Rose's relationship with the doctor and say something along the lines of her "getting too big for her britches" which grates on me because it feels like a reaction not to Rose, but to the relationship of equality she has with Ten. I think the new series concerns itself with gender issues to a degree that's admirable, the way Star Trek TNG handles it and contrary to the way TOS does. Of course I'm reserving judgment until I get some first hand experience.

I'll definitely check out Five; now that I've been through the new series I doubt it's as imperative to watch from start to finish.

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[info]stellar_dust
2008-12-09 11:15 pm UTC (link)
Well, the thing is the Doctor's *never* fallen in love before, certainly not with a human companion, and a lot of old-school fans don't think he ever should. And I think maybe he's been treating all his recent companions a bit more like equals than he used to; which I think is fine because while he loved humans before, maybe he didn't really *appreciate* them till the Time Lords were gone!

Anyway, Old Who indeed doesn't concern itself with gender issues, but then it doesn't concern itself with much in the way of issues at all (even less so than TOS did, with all the obvious metaphors for racism and stuff). All of Who is technically a "kid's show," but that applies to Old Who to a much greater degree than New, I think!

And nope, order doesn't matter so much! Most of the arcs aren't *nearly* so long as they've been for Nine and Ten. Hope you like Five .. *g*

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[info]somuchbraver
2008-12-09 11:34 pm UTC (link)
I can't blame him one bit for falling in love with Rose. Not one bit. I swear in the first couple episodes I would have turned it off if it weren't for her.

I do think that the content of Rose's relationship with the doctor did in some ways open up the door for people to inject sex into the equation, and since one of my favorite things about the series is it's lack of sex, I can understand that would be a concern. I also think because Rose was the first companion many of us have seen, for some fans it set up an expectation that companion was code for "girlfriend" which is CLEARLY not the case. It seems to me that having Martha and Donna follow her up was a pretty solid demonstration that that won't be the trend.

I'd say the new series covers a lot of very serious philosophical ground and it's one of the things keeping me hanging in there since I demand that sort of depth from sci fi these days and I think most people do.

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[info]tsubasa16
2008-12-11 12:27 am UTC (link)
Holy crap. I must seriously get me a blog on word press now...I've been contemplating it for a while. Now...a feminist bloggie!! Wahoo, sign me up up!

And p.s., Rose if fucking adorable. I commend your crush.

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